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Float flag/anti-rust flag
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 3:54 am
by Tankie
Not sure if this has ever been considered but I always thought a float flag would be nice. To able able to "walk on water" without sinking is good for servers that use water extensively throughout the map.
And what about that rusting problem? Tanks rust as soon as they touch water. (Is it water of sulphuric acid?) An anti-rust flag would solve the rapid oxidation problem that seems to plague most tanks.
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:59 am
by Grace F
A floating flag would be good to have.
The tank's jump height from the water could be a server setting. Since it depends on the structure of the map.
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 11:14 pm
by Saber
I would like to thief someone with that flag. I think it would be nice... for me
Anyway, this flag will be used on some servers only. And water is here to kill you.
Just imagine a rabbit with that flag going in the corner of a map like Island Hopping. Just think about it. Only Laser would kill them.
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 11:18 pm
by Peter
Unless you gave the flag a time limit.
Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 11:33 am
by Spazzy McGee
What do you define as 'water' ?
The 'waterLevel' object? Many mappers prefer to make their own water out of a mesh and physics drivers, rather than use the fugly waterLevel; in which case you need to define what is water and what is not.
PETER wrote:Unless you gave the flag a time limit.
You can't time-limit good flags. Shot limit, maybe.
Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:00 pm
by asciimonster
I think that with "water" he means killer surfaces (you touch it you die).
Good idea! I jumped in the brink so many times I cannot remember.
Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:53 pm
by Peter
You can't time-limit good flags.
Maby we should for this one, seems like the practical thing to do.
Like saber said
Just imagine a rabbit with that flag going in the corner of a map like Island Hopping. Just think about it. Only Laser would kill them.
A time limit would stop this problem.
Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 2:44 pm
by Spazzy McGee
asciimonster wrote:I think that with "water" he means killer surfaces (you touch it you die).
I can think of killer surfaces that aren't water.
Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 4:14 pm
by too much loving
The following ideas are a bit far out, but hopefully somewhat inspiring and related to the thread
Imagine flags named K1, K2, K3 and K4 (Here k means key). Now future version of bzflag could allow us to define physics objects that only work if the tank is carrying a specific key flag (or for that sake a certain other flag). Here are some examples of what could be done
physics
name kill_tanks_without_key1
death Fool, you would have survived if you had carried key number 1
disabledby K1
end
physics
name capapult_tanks_carrying_either_key1_or_sw
linear 10 0 100
angular 100 0 0
enabledby K1 SW
end
Of course it should be illegal to create a physics object containing both "disabledby" and "enabledby", and the maps should probably contain some texture with a suitable warning. I think that many large buildings would gain from a GM catapult object. It would also be fun to create physics object that barred tanks from taking certains routes while carrying team flags.
EDIT: Rereading my post the key flags are probably unnecesary. If enabledby and disabledby was implemented, then we could create a surface that killed all tanks that were not carrying the useless flag. Such a surface would behave like the idea proposed in the first post.
EDIT: Typos
Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 5:20 pm
by TD-Linux
I think custom flags like you describe are a really good idea. Implementing them shouldn't be hard at all, either.
Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 1:03 pm
by *Boinkage*!
Tankie
Great idea, but kinda complicated.
Would you really float, or "bob" along in the water.
The flags would be called... maybe (FO) and (AR)
too much loving
Great idea, you could bar team members from going one way wit the flag.
Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 1:36 pm
by Macrosoft
well...it sounds like you would be able to drive on the water if you have float...
and you would sink to the bottom with anti-rust and drive along the bottom
Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:42 pm
by Grace F
If im not mistaken WaterLevel on a map is 1. Values less than 0 turn it off. Im not sure if the Water Height can get any higher than 1 so sinking to the bottom wouldn't be possible
But again, im probably mistaken, (im new to Hand Coding
)
I don't think you would 'bob', but more 'glide' along it. Similar to _wingsSlideTime, if that is even an actual option
Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:56 am
by Tanner
Grace F wrote:If im not mistaken WaterLevel on a map is 1. Values less than 0 turn it off. Im not sure if the Water Height can get any higher than 1 so sinking to the bottom wouldn't be possible
But again, im probably mistaken, (im new to Hand Coding
)
Water level can go as high as you want.
-Tanner
Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 2:58 am
by Grace F
Tanner wrote:Grace F wrote:If im not mistaken WaterLevel on a map is 1. Values less than 0 turn it off. Im not sure if the Water Height can get any higher than 1 so sinking to the bottom wouldn't be possible
But again, im probably mistaken, (im new to Hand Coding
)
Water level can go as high as you want.
-Tanner
Oh ok thx
In that case sinking to the bottom is possible...
Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 5:00 pm
by Spazzy McGee
IMHO, WaterLevel looks fugly.
A better idea would be to use textured meshboxes with texture matrix materials, and death physics, and you can tweak it to look nicely.
This is my patented "Rippling water"... heh.
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physics
name death
death Rusted in the water!
end
textureMatrix
name Flow1
shift 0.002 0.003
spin 0.003
end
textureMatrix
name Flow2
shift -0.002 -0.003
spin -0.003
end
material
name water1
addtexture water
diffuse 0.7 0.7 0.8 0.5
texmat Flow1
end
material
name water2
addtexture water
diffuse 0.7 0.7 0.8 0.4
texmat Flow2
end
meshbox
size 400 400 6
pos 0 0 0
matref water1
phydrv death
end
meshbox
size 400 400 0.01
pos 0 0 6
matref water2
end
Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 5:06 pm
by ducatiwannabe
The "float" flag or other names mentioned really wouldn't be useful as far as I can see. It would make the flag a useless flag on any server without water, in which case, it isn't really worth it. Besides, if you want water that doesn't kill, you can create it via the map.
Burrow is basically the same as a submarine flag anyway!
