my.bzflag.org - hall of fame list?
my.bzflag.org - hall of fame list?
I have seen people set up theit own maps with bots so they can get really high scores.
Top 3 on the list :
grover 21000 10,499.500
dust in the wind 16577 8,280.010
Durf 13459 6,729.000
My question is why do they have this list :http://my.bzflag.org/playerstats.php
And Im talking about that hall of fame list. Not other stats.
Too see how many boots people have killed?
Top 3 on the list :
grover 21000 10,499.500
dust in the wind 16577 8,280.010
Durf 13459 6,729.000
My question is why do they have this list :http://my.bzflag.org/playerstats.php
And Im talking about that hall of fame list. Not other stats.
Too see how many boots people have killed?
Last edited by sos on Sat Feb 10, 2007 12:18 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Re: my.bzflag.org - Player Stats is a joke now
As you noticed this is not a site/list which can represent the player's real strength. In this case it's (I think so) more an interesting and funny ranking list.sos wrote:My question is why do they have this list :http://my.bzflag.org/playerstats.php
Futhermore, in the time this stats site was written, there were no guys who where playing agianst bots just to get incredible high-scores. :o)
If you are really interested in having a representative player strength list, you should use something like the ELO ranking system and/or some filter mechanisms (i.e. "ignore player score if more than x% of the tanks are bots*", "ignore player's score if other tanks have no or only 5% of this tanks's kills"). This would not be perfect, but much better. You can imagine that such a system would need time to be coded and much more ressources than a "simple" ranking as the used "strength index".
So the question is: Is it worth it?
The answer: No.** :o)
*...The server seems to know when a player is just a bot, but doesn't (always) forward the information.
**...Not in the current situation.
A pessimist is an optimist with experience... ;o)
The server should keep a score field for bot kills, sorta like team kills, only the points are still counted. Then stats servers, etc., can get this data and subtract bot kills from total kills and we can have a more accurate representation?
Doesn't seem like that would be TOO hard to do, but I could be wrong.
Doesn't seem like that would be TOO hard to do, but I could be wrong.
Oh next time I will ask you before posting hereJeffM2501 wrote:if you have criticism please make it constructive. Calling things a "joke" is no way to get the problem fixed.
Perhaps you could suggest a solution.
Yes . My point was only that the list "wall of fame" must be rewritten because the way its today.. ye see for yourself,.
Yes a good point. Its the best I think.ts wrote:I would vote for only counting scores on servers that do not allow bots.
And that's why I suggested it might be possible to discount the bot kills, and still count player-player kills on all public servers.birdie wrote:there wont be much servers you would have to count the scores on. Some (also popular) servers somethimes put 1 or 2 bots in the server to be in the serverlist to attract people.ts wrote:I would vote for only counting scores on servers that do not allow bots.
Yeah, that's the kind of servers I go to and start poll bans against the bots. I hate when any server uses bots to boost their ranking on the list.birdie wrote:there wont be much servers you would have to count the scores on. Some (also popular) servers somethimes put 1 or 2 bots in the server to be in the serverlist to attract people.
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Seems a bit childish dont you think . Just because you hate it, doesnt mean you can ruin it for the owner/operator.blast wrote:Yeah, that's the kind of servers I go to and start poll bans against the bots. I hate when any server uses bots to boost their ranking on the list.birdie wrote:there wont be much servers you would have to count the scores on. Some (also popular) servers somethimes put 1 or 2 bots in the server to be in the serverlist to attract people.
Awww, it's always fun seeing 10 to 20 bots all sign off at once. I don't just go to a server to ban them. I go to a server thinking there is 18 players, but find out it's five or six people shooting bots (or getting pwned by bots).bzflaginator wrote:Seems a bit childish dont you think . Just because you hate it, doesnt mean you can ruin it for the owner/operator.blast wrote:Yeah, that's the kind of servers I go to and start poll bans against the bots. I hate when any server uses bots to boost their ranking on the list.
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Davy Jones wrote:Doesn't the ban Kick/Ban the IP? When i kick a bot off that i run, i also get kicked off...so polling to ban against an unprotected bot could ban an administrator?
Actually, no, it wouldn't. Any decent set-up would give the antiBan permission to administrators which would protect you from being banned.me2 wrote:yes it could, unless you do /poll idban
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thisDavy Jones wrote:Doesn't the ban Kick/Ban the IP? When i kick a bot off that i run, i also get kicked off...so polling to ban against an unprotected bot could ban an administrator?
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ADMIN: +antiban +antikick +antipollban +antipollkick +antipollkill +antideregister +antikill +antipoll
I got banned from my own server once. Live and learn. I have run a bot from time to time but only to play against, not to attract others. I didn't think about the score issue. Of course I'm in no danger of having a high score, even against a bot . Some people really don't like the bot so I don't run him much anymore.
Antiban is also supposed to allow people to join even if they are banned. That's how some servers use a whitelist when banning a large range of addresses.you1 wrote:met: if an admin with antiban is banned when they aren't on, they will stay banned. so if you ban a bot without antiban with your ip, you'll get banned also, unless you are online at the time of the ban.
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It doesn't make sense to have antiBan applied to you and not antiKick. It's really not that hard to set both.Davy Jones wrote:I can kick myself off by kicking a bot even when i am on, *Yes, i have Admin Perms* I will test the shortban shortly, i think we need a dev to clear this up
You don't even need to test it. I tested it long ago and it works as expected. Plus, blast is a dev and I've done a lot of poking around myself too.
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Eh, that's not how it effected me on my server long ago. guess it's changed.blast wrote:Antiban is also supposed to allow people to join even if they are banned. That's how some servers use a whitelist when banning a large range of addresses.you1 wrote:met: if an admin with antiban is banned when they aren't on, they will stay banned. so if you ban a bot without antiban with your ip, you'll get banned also, unless you are online at the time of the ban.