ATI Radeon lockups (PC & Mac?)

El_Bastado · Post by **El_Bastado** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 6:26 pm

Hi All,

There seems to be a number of people with ATI Radeons (both PC & Mac owners) experiencing hangs in 2.0. I'm wondering if this is the same issue as the oft reported "mac crash".

For me these hangs happen after an explosion very close by. The full screen fire/debris/lighting effect seems to be what triggers it. The game totally freezes with the explosion on screen, and the keyboard & mouse are unresponsive.

I've taken a photo of one such crash & attach it here.
Does this match what other Radeon owners are seeing?

Specs of my system:

AMD Athlon 700MHz (Yep - its slow...)
ATI Radeon 9200 @ 1280x1024
IIyama 17" Flat panel via DVI (incase that matters)
Linux kernel 2.6.10-rc1
SDL 1.2.8
bzflag_cvs from today.

Regards,
EB

JeffM · Post by **JeffM** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 6:35 pm

what video drivers?

El_Bastado · Post by **El_Bastado** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 7:00 pm

Linux X.org 6.7.0

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Release Date: 18 December 2003
X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 6.7
Build Operating System: Linux 2.4.26 i686 [ELF]
Current Operating System: Linux wrench 2.6.10-rc1n #2 Fri Oct 29 10:58:54 BST 2004 i686
Build Date: 05 June 2004

(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/radeon_drv.o
(II) Module radeon: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
        compiled for 6.7.0, module version = 4.0.1
        Module class: X.Org Video Driver
        ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 0.7

RPG · Post by **RPG** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 7:58 pm

For my other computer, I have a very similar graphics card, except an AMD 2.8 i think...

But it works fine for me!

BIYA · Post by **BIYA** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 8:28 pm

Thats why I chose Geforce......

JeffM · Post by **JeffM** » Sun Feb 13, 2005 4:28 am

looks like your running the normal xorg DRI drivers. ATI makes it's own set of drivers, you shoudl probably get those.

QuantumBeep · Post by **QuantumBeep** » Sun Feb 13, 2005 7:51 pm

I'm on WinXP, with a Radeon 7200 64M, and my machine locks hard pretty often on complex maps, only rarely haveing the courtesy to drop to the desktop. It may just be outright overload doing it, though. The card is about due for retirement anyhow.

El_Bastado · Post by **El_Bastado** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 8:19 pm

JeffM2501 wrote:looks like your running the normal xorg DRI drivers. ATI makes it's own set of drivers, you shoudl probably get those.

I'll give those a try in due course. They only support X.org v6.8 - so I'll need to upgrade from 6.7.0 first (which could fix the problem anyway).

I'm actually thinking the issue could be in the kernel's "radeon" module. During a "crash", I telnetted in from another box and discovered the bzflag process no longer running, and X stuck in a loop:

strace of X:

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--- SIGALRM (Alarm clock) @ 0 (0) ---
sigreturn()                             = ? (mask now [])
ioctl(6, 0x6444, 0)                     = -1 EBUSY (Device or resource busy)
--- SIGALRM (Alarm clock) @ 0 (0) ---
sigreturn()                             = ? (mask now [])
ioctl(6, 0x6444, 0)                     = -1 EBUSY (Device or resource busy)
ioctl(6, 0x6444, 0)                     = -1 EBUSY (Device or resource busy)
--- SIGALRM (Alarm clock) @ 0 (0) ---
sigreturn()                             = ? (mask now [])
ioctl(6, 0x6444, 0)                     = -1 EBUSY (Device or resource busy)
...repeats forever

and with fd 6 being;
lsof of X:

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X       2671 root    6u   CHR      226,0               6140 /dev/dri/card0

...anyway looks to be an X or driver or kernel problem, not a bzflag one.

Regards,
EB

cyborg · Post by **cyborg** » Sun Mar 20, 2005 7:53 am

Helo all, mine used to hang up so bad that I have to hit the reset button on my box, yes, all my hardware stops including the keyboard, rendering ctrl-alt-backspace unusable:

Dual Athlon MP 2000+
Card is Radeon 8500LE
kernel 2.6.8 SMP
XFree86 Version 4.3.0.1 (Debian 4.3.0.dfsg.1-10 20041215174925)
SDL 1.2.7

Hangs for sure at 800x600 but intermittently on 1024x768
with all effects and some minor features disabled.

huw · Post by **huw** » Sun Mar 20, 2005 1:36 pm

I also have this lockup problem. I am using XP PRO SP2

AMD Athlon 1700
MSi Motherboard

I have a raedon 9200SE with the latest drivers from Windows Update.

1)The program crashed first

2)The second time the whole PC rebooted.

spldart · Post by **spldart** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 1:31 am

I've even had a couple of video card hardlocks. (ati9800pro, latest ati drivers) And no problems with far cry or ut2k4... But this is a homebrew,developing game and they aren't exactly well payed

Play with your drivers, play with your settings guys

huw · Post by **huw** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 3:33 pm

New drivers were released for my card (see previous post) on the 22nd February but I have only just installed them through windows update.

I have only managed to crash bzflag twice.

The first two times it just restarted but the third time I got a blue screen error saying:

IRQ_LESS_THAN_EQUAL

Dunno why I get this error

but all the IRQ's for the devices on my PC are setup fine with no conflicts

codergeek42 · Post by **codergeek42** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 7:14 pm

This sometimes happens to me too.

I'm using the native radeon/DRI drivers for my 9200 (X.org 6.8.2), and everything else seems to be ok, it's only bzflag that locks up from time to time. (I've played GLtron, Quake3-demo, etc for long periods of time with no troubles.) I can SSH into my box when this happens from my mom's computer (running Cygwin on XP Pro) and everything else seems just fine. The only problem is that when bzflag locks up, I cannot use the physically attached keyboard/mouse anymore. I can't even switch out of X to a virtual console using the Ctrl+Alt+F<n> key combo like I normally can.

I've run an strace on it and I'll post that strace log file when I get home from work later.

I hope this is fixed soon. It didn't seem to happen in BZFlag 1.x

Dervish · Post by **Dervish** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 8:51 pm

I'm on WinXP... my machine locks hard pretty often...

BZFlag still has some quirks with Windows XP. For me, it locks my O/S when I try to switch back and forth between BZFlag and some other app (no problem in window mode, only happens in full screen).

As for the hard locks, there could be a problem with the video card itself I suppose (unlikely unless you thrashed it on install). It might be best to troubleshoot all available software influences. Here are a few general topics that apply to a variety of video problems:

Software version (make sure you have the latest update, ie: Diablo II LoD 1.10, or BZFlag 2.0.x)
OpenGL/DirectX versions and settings (set by operating system and/or video card drivers)
Video card drivers (manufacturer's or chipset, experiment with both and the latest vs. the second latest drivers)
Operating System settings (resources available to video card, are they shared with other resources?, do they have their own IRQ, etc.?)
AGP bus (BIOS settings and bus speed, ie: 2x, 4x, 8x, amp.size, buffering)

So many different settings and configurations can affect its performance and reliability.