An idea for a flag...

Master Laser · Post by **Master Laser** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 5:56 pm

i think that there should be a flag called TorPedo, that would make shots at the same height as if your tank was burrowed, so that it could hit burrowed tanks (wouldn't work if tank was on building or in air, though).

RPG · Post by **RPG** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 7:42 pm

No offense, but that flag would be pretty pointless if it's only point was to kill burrowed people. If you want to take out a long time burrower, use Narrow, because its invunerable to burrow and has other great uses!

Master Laser · Post by **Master Laser** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 7:47 pm

i didnt know narrow was invulnerable to burrow

brad2901 · Post by **brad2901** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 7:56 pm

Its not invulnerable, narrow is just extremely hard for a burrow to kill.

RPG · Post by **RPG** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 8:00 pm

well, going head on to burrow with narrow, you are invincible, from what admins and bunches of players and my personal experience has taught me. Some other flag-counters:

L cannot kill CL
GM cannot lock onto ST
SW and SB can kill OO
SW and SB can kill zoned tanks

Master Laser · Post by **Master Laser** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 8:11 pm

ok, but narrow still requires you to touch the burrowed tank. i thought it would nice to have a ranged way to kill burrow.

Workaphobia · Post by **Workaphobia** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 8:36 pm

That defeats the purpose of burrow, especially since they can't effectively evade attacks. Burrowed tanks are weak enough as it is, without additional counters.

RPG · Post by **RPG** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 11:24 pm

hmm. I guess this is rejected by the community? I agree that burrow is weak as is, and already has a counter. (narrow).

If this flag IS passed, I think burrow should get default velocity and turning rate like all other tanks.

but then, why make a flag who's only purpose is to be a counter for another flag...

Memnarch · Post by **Memnarch** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 2:04 am

You wanna kill a Burrowed tankj? Don't use a "TorPedo", just use GM.

ducatiwannabe · Post by **ducatiwannabe** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 2:12 pm

Yup Memnarch. And while I'm here, I have hit a narrow tank head on when I had burrow.

I agree with Laser, a ranged way to kill them would be nice.

toaster · Post by **toaster** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 3:17 pm

I agree with Workaphobia. Burrowed tanks are very weak. ST is great for sneaking up on them, they are slower than all other tanks, SW and GM can take them out from different ranges, and N can be hit, but it's hard to do it. It's hard to last long in a BU tank, only works well if you have lots of close walls aligned for ricochets. And even then, someone spawns on top of you once in a while. We don't need more counters for BU, or we might as well get rid of the flag.

RPG · Post by **RPG** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 4:32 pm

Wait, how can you get shot by burrow if you have N? How? I've killed BU with N plenty of times and never died.

ducatiwannabe · Post by **ducatiwannabe** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 5:33 pm

I just thought of a cool bzflag server

the map is open, no objects in it, or it could have objects. Then you just put a bunch of burrow flags, 1 shot, and the burrow tanks have to dodge each other's shots

RPG · Post by **RPG** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 11:27 pm

eek, I don't like those types of servers.

Memnarch · Post by **Memnarch** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 11:34 pm

Wouldn't thay just be making a server with no jump? And less speed? Plus, what if a tank decides NOT to pick up a BU flag? Then its simply a massacre.

toaster · Post by **toaster** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 3:04 am

RPG wrote:Wait, how can you get shot by burrow if you have N? How? I've killed BU with N plenty of times and never died.

Ask Brad2901 if you see him. I have killed a lot of Narrows from BU, but far more have killed me. It's not easy.

Scorch · Post by **Scorch** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 3:15 pm

toaster i am afraid you are incorrect. its not just that N is narrow its that BU JUST CAN'T KILL IT! its like the rules of phsysics for bz!

brad2901 · Post by **brad2901** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 4:25 pm

Burrow CAN kill narrow! I have seen burrow kill narrow quite a few times and I have even managed to do it myself. Narrow is not a tank that is 0 wide. It is just a lot thinner which also means its possible to kill head on.

Scorch · Post by **Scorch** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 4:36 pm

no, no. BU cannot kill narrow no matter what direction, we are not talking about narrow being narrow we are talking about well look, GM cant kill ST, L cant kill CL, BU cant kill N!

Memnarch · Post by **Memnarch** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 6:58 pm

Actually, Gm CAN kill ST, and BU CAN kill N. I have managed to accomplish both feats.

ducatiwannabe · Post by **ducatiwannabe** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 7:06 pm

GM can't lock on ST, it can kill it though.

brad2901 · Post by **brad2901** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 7:15 pm

Scorch, have you ever tried killing a narrow with a burrow? Next time i see you we will have a little test and i will take a screenshot of the narrow killing the burrow.

Memnarch · Post by **Memnarch** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 9:22 pm

you mean you will get ascreen shot of BURROW killing the narrow

sid6.7 · Post by **sid6.7** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 9:53 pm

guys ive seen every flag kill ever other flag in the game
its a matter of odds...how often does it happen/not happen
and you add in how many shots a server gives ya to that odds...

as for BU the way i kill narrow is fire of my loads
dump the BU as he jumps i kill him when he lands...

what i have not seen yet is on a 1 shot server a BU killing
anything that doesnt spawn right in front of him...or him
hiding behind/under a tele

EDIT...true lazer cant kill cl....

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